Car won't start need help (springs)

[D Walker]

My battery is completely drained so I couldn't work on the car anyway as I do not have a battery charger readily available.

The battery MUST be fully charged, otherwise the engine will not turn fast enough and it will likely just flood again.

Ian some people did say that it could be the TPS and the fuel lines regular etc.

As mentioned, the S5 series can be a PITA with its electronics and issues with them.

"there might be a few issue's first try unplugging the Inline fuse for fuel cut off, then try using some starting fluid in the intake, if that doesn't work put a little bit of 2 stroke oil through a plug hole and turning the motor a bit until you get all of the rotor surface's covered. that will help build up some of the compression that was lost by the fuel soaking the inside a bunch.

Not actually very good or sound advice. Not horrible advice, just not sound. FIRST- you have to have good plugs in. No matter what you do if the plugs are junk it is not going to fire up and run. Starting fluid or "compression helpers" will NOT solve this. Also there is a REASON the car flooded. If you do not find and fix that, you will lock into a cycle of just pissing away a lot of time and possibly money. Find and fix the root problem. First.

EVEN IF you need your injectors cleaned it should fire up with starting fluid. if it can't fire up with starting fluid then work on it tel it does before expecting your nicely cleaned injectors to do anything. If you can't get it started up with this setup then there maybe something wrong in the ignition, but the starting fluid should be able to ignite even with low spark."

No.
Starting fluid WILL NOT start an engine with bad or soaked plugs. Period. And when a rotary floods the fuel is all throughout the housings so you MUST crank it over to get as much fuel out of it as you can then walk away and let it sit so the rest evaporates out when they are badly flooded. When the engine has been badly or repeatedly flooded YOU MUST get rid of all the fuel in the combustion chambers as well as use new (or known good) plugs. There is no real way around this (although I HAVE tow-started an FD or two that would not start after sitting and continously fouled the plugs). Taking the plugs out, drying them on a rag or in the sun and then popping them back into the motor WILL NOT WORK. Period. You can try drying out the plugs with a propane torch or even a butane lighter, but no guarantees that will work.
There is no solid way to tell if the injectors are hanging open without having them tested, and honestly this would be my last resort sort of thing.
As I said above- check the coolant temp sensor, the TPS, the MAF, and all wiring connections. Pulling the ECI fuse while the engine cranks is also a good idea.

I have no idea how the car ran before, so I have no comment to make on possible pre-existing problems.

[christi]

Car ran fine just a hard time starting as stated before time and time again. The thought of the injectors being the issue was brought to the attention of secondgenpat. I'm not doing anything to my car until someone in the springs can assit me. I'm stuck here as idk what to do anymore.

I realize you need a full battery. I am just stating a fact that I cannot do anything more until I have access o charge the battery. I cannot reply until I get home. work is really busy

[iani1.1]

read the FSM as well if you feel like learning something i guess...
http://www.4shared.com/file/D3mo-rMw/89_-_91_Rx7_FSM.html?

[christi]

Ian...I'm happy to learn. However with no access to tools or a garage it's hard to do. My apt complex gripes when we work on cars as it's not "nice looking".

I learn when people are around showing me and making sure I am doing the right thing. I really don't know where to start because I srsly don't know what's going on with it to begin with to pinpoint it.

[speedjunkie]

You can take your battery to any auto parts store and they will test it and charge it for you for free. Since it's been drained I would have them test it first to make sure it can even take a charge and still be usable.

In my experience, I agree with Don that spark plugs are a PITA when it comes to fouling them. I've even cleaned them with a torch, pulled the fuel relay and turned the car over to deflood and it STILL didn't work. New plugs have almost always worked for me.

For the injectors, I'm not sure if it will work to see if they are stuck open, but to see if they are working you can do a test with a 9v battery. Just get some battery pigtails from Radio Shack, like you'd find in the bottom of a clock radio for the 9v, and attach it to the battery and run each wire to each of the pins of the injector. If it is working you should hear a clicking sound. If you don't hear a clicking sound, it's clogged. That test might work to see if it's stuck open too, not sure. It's worked for me before though. Also, another note about cleaning injectors. If you do get them cleaned, make sure you install and use them immediately after you get them back. If not, the cleaning agent can harden and clog the injector. This happened to me before. That's how I heard about the 9v battery test.

Have you tried push-starting or tow-starting the car to see if it will even run in the event you can start it? Maybe if you can get it running that way it will give you hints as to the starting problem.

If you have fuel and spark, the only thing left would be compression. Not likely on a new engine, but not impossible either. If all else fails, try putting some Marvel Mystery Oil or ATF into the housings to aid compression. You never know.

I forget, did you say you've checked the plugs to make sure they're firing? If you take them out one at a time (and remove the fuel relay also), put the plug back into the wire and hold it with a pair of pliers, and have someone turn the car over to make sure it's firing.

And another thing, maybe your apartment complex would rather have cars sitting for months at a time or up on blocks?? They need to not be so picky haha.

[christi]

Yeah. I'm off tomorrow. I'm gonna charge it tomorrow and Z said he's comig by to take a look sunday and maybe jump/push start the car.

Yeah all plugs are firing we checked thar Sunday or Monday. The plugs in there are brand new from Sunday. :/
I'll reply more when I can.

[speedjunkie]

I have to work around noon on Sunday but if I can I'll stop by with Z.

[christi]

So it works, by tow starting it. It won't start by just the starter. The air intake temp sensor it is broken but Z said I can have it in a week. The intake manifold ( I call it the middle one), it needs to be grinded down so it can fit securely on the bracket. Hopefully we can get this resolved and then fix the timing and she may start regularly ...

[alex_n/a]

also check that the started is getting proper ground. Paint, rust, and other materials may prevent the wire from being properly grounded

[christi]

So would I be able to switch out the intakes to the s4, since the motor is s4? or is this not possible? I can't get ahold of pat right now to be able to grind it down.

[alex_n/a]

the engine is s4? And well you can use s4 intake but you will have to make the s5 harness adapt to it. Or get an s4 harness. But I'm not sure

how does it run after the push start?

[iani1.1]

yes but your electronics are s5 so it wont work.

[christi]

Ugh. I jut wanna get the car started. The car sounded fine. It just won't keep any idle.

[christi]

So, I need to know if someone would be interested in seeing if they could do the timing lol. Z said he will help with the grinding of the intake and letting me have his AIT sensor so that's taken care of. I just have no idea where my buddy Pat is to get the timing done.

I think once I fix these two and break the motor on I can see what's happening with everything else. I just need her timed and have no way of doing so (don't have the timing light) I'm sure once this is resolved we can figure out everything else.

Edit:
Some typos..

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[MadScience_7]

Is it hard to do a fuel cut switch in an S5? I don't know the wiring well enough. My S4 floods every single time I start it, even after replacing all the associated sensors and new injectors. The start map in the ECU is just too damn rich. Rather than going full new EMS, I put in the little ghetto bandaid fix, and it's worked perfectly for me.

As much as I am entirely for finding the root cause of problems and fixing it at the source, there's something to be said for being able to reliably start the car...