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Postby erod550 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

kingtut wrote:I used to say that too. (Granted, I still don't have one- but I want one.) They're just so much better in every aspect. I'm no techy, but they just seem to do with ease, what androids have to work to accomplish.


I have very compelling reasons for never choosing an iPhone over an Android device. The whole "Android is too hard" excuse is dumb. And the iPhone is definitely not "so much better in every aspect." That's just patently false. And especially as someone who has never even used one, you're just buying into hype. I have used both and every time I have to borrow my friend's iPhone for something because my Sprint service sucks (not the phone) I hate it. A quick list of reasons why I would still choose a Galaxy S3 over an iPhone 5 (not even counting the new and improved Galaxy S4).

1. Screen size. No contest here. The iPhone, even with the larger iPhone 5, still has a tiny ### screen. This one reason alone is enough for me to choose the GS3 over an iPhone 5, but there's more.

2. Opening commonly used apps directly from the lock screen. You can just swipe up from icons that you set on the lock screen to go directly into your messaging app, or Facebook, or the camera, or whatever you want. I use it most commonly for sending a text as I can unlock the phone directly into the messaging app without having to first unlock it and then open the messaging app.

3. Third party keyboards - I can install a custom keyboard that has predictive text; not just auto-correct but actually predicting what I'm going to type next and giving me the ability to just tap that next word without having to type it. I've saved over 114,000 keystrokes with my $2.99 Swiftkey keyboard in the last year.

4. Swype/Flow/whatever you want to call it. Being able to drag from letter to letter to type takes some getting used to, but it is ideal for one-handed texting or typing of any kind. I use it primarily when I only have one hand free like if I'm eating and need to respond to a text, I can easily swype out a text with one hand.

5. Widgets. You're not limited to just having app shortcuts on your home screens. You can have actual useful information on them too. An example would be a widget that turns the flash on and off to use as a flashlight without actually having to open the flashlight app. Another is having buttons on the home screen for going straight to certain parts of Facebook like posting a status update, or checking in.

6. Live wallpapers. A minor thing but a cool feature. Animated wallpapers are cool, especially the one I use that shows me the weather, even on the lock screen. If it's raining outside, it's raining on my phone. If it's snowing, it's snowing on my phone. If you're in a building without windows and you're wondering what it's doing outside, a quick glance at the screen will tell you. Also the snow landscape looks really cool, heh.

7. Removable battery. I have a friend with an iPhone 4 who is going to have to get rid of the phone soon because the battery is dying and doesn't last as long and it cannot be replaced. Granted, an iPhone 4 is two generations ago and generally you will upgrade before having to worry about a worn out battery, but it's still something to consider. I also haven't had any freezing issues with this phone, but with past phones, being able to remove the battery as a hard reset when the phone is frozen and the power button isn't responsive is a nice ability to have.

8. Smart rotate. You can turn on a setting that will lock the rotation of the screen if you are still looking at it the same way when the orientation changes. Example. You're reading an article in bed with the phone in portrait mode and you lay down on your side. Normally the phone will flip to landscape at this point because it's on its side. Smart rotate knows that you are also on your side by using the front camera and will keep the phone in portrait mode despite being on its side. I told my sister (an iPhone user) about this one last night and she was like "ooh, I want that!".

9. Smart calling. Say you're texting someone and you need to call them because sometimes it's just easier. From the messaging app you can just put the phone up to your ear and it will call them. No extra button presses necessary. (another feature my sister was drooling over).

10. Expandable (and much cheaper) storage. A micro SD slot is a great way to give yourself more storage than you had initially. It also gives you the capability of having equivalent or higher storage than an iPhone without paying nearly as much to get it. An iPhone with 64GB of storage costs $200 more than the 16GB version, while you can buy a 16GB SGS3 and add an additional 64GB with a micro SD card for around $50. If you wanted 32GB, you'd have to pay $100 more for the 32GB iPhone while adding 16GB to a 16GB SGS3 would cost about $15.

Again. I'm not trying to start yet another Apple vs Android flame war. I'm not insulting Apple in any way. They have a great product in its own regard. But almost no one that I know that has an iPhone started on something else and then went to an iPhone. For almost all of them, the iPhone was the first smartphone they ever used so of course it's awesome, because smartphones are awesome and so much better than their predecessors. But Android devices, and the Samsung Galaxy S3 and S4 in particular, are light years ahead of the iPhone in available features, and no, despite their previous reputation, you don't have to be a computer guru to use one.
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Postby kingtut » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote: And especially as someone who has never even used one, you're just buying into hype.


This is about as far as I got. To correct you, mrs. tut has one-- so I have...ahem, used one. Thank you for assuming though.

What's up with this new fad of HUGE screened phones anyway? The screen's too small? Wtf are you doing that you need a huge screen?:lol:
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Postby I`m Batman » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

kingtut wrote: Wtf are you doing that you need a huge screen?:lol:


My screen is bigger than yours...
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Postby erod550 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

kingtut wrote:Wtf are you doing that you need a huge screen?:lol:


Reading articles, playing games, watching videos, looking at pictures, browsing message boards, using an onscreen keyboard, everything you use a smartphone for, all of which benefit from having a larger screen, and all without affecting the portability of the device. It's only a half inch taller and third of an inch wider than an iPhone 5, yet it has 20% more screen area. An extra half inch is hardly the same as carrying a laptop on your shoulder.

Did you have the same resistance to a larger television screen? I mean who even needs that big of a screen anyway? My 32" works just fine!
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Postby tsx_guy » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

valid points erod. what you say makes some sense, I was "converted" for my job.
I strongly dislike the restrictions that apple imposes and why I don't use itunes.

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Postby Shadowden » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

I don't get big screen tvs...or Phones with Screens the size of the Samsung Galaxy Note II.

I use android products (Samsung Galaxy S, Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1) and am contemplating the iphone for my next phone.

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Postby tsx_guy » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

I have found some neat things with my iphone, but i've been told these same features can be the same, if not better on an android.

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Postby kingtut » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote:Reading articles, playing games, watching videos, looking at pictures, browsing message boards, using an onscreen keyboard, everything you use a smartphone for, all of which benefit from having a larger screen, and all without affecting the portability of the device. It's only a half inch taller and third of an inch wider than an iPhone 5, yet it has 20% more screen area. An extra half inch is hardly the same as carrying a laptop on your shoulder.

Did you have the same resistance to a larger television screen? I mean who even needs that big of a screen anyway? My 32" works just fine!


Yeah, I do most of those things- and my modest screen size is just fine for me. Glasses? Eh, tomay-to...tomah-to.

Regarding tv screens. I don't pack my tv in my pocket, so the bigger the better:D
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Postby erod550 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

The Galaxy Note II isn't really a phone. It's a hybrid between a phone and a tablet.

I guess if you just want simplicity and don't care about features or customization or limitations, then iPhones are great. But there are so many things new Android devices can do that iPhones cannot and there's really nothing an iPhone can do that an Android can't.

Android devices have come a long way from even older Android devices. They are much more polished now and more stable. I used to have to reboot my old Windows Mobile and WebOS devices fairly often because of memory issues or just general instability. I never have to reboot my Galaxy S3. It's incredibly stable and fast and doesn't slow down over time like a lot of older Android devices.

Even if all the screens were the same size, I still wouldn't take an iPhone because of all the other reasons listed above, plus another one that I forgot to mention, which is that I can just drag and drop files to and from the phone without having to ever touch the abomination that is iTunes. I begrudgingly installed iTunes on my PC because I had to to put an eBook on my iPad, but it doesn't get used unless I have to.
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Postby erod550 » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

Even just typing on that plain iPhone keyboard for 5 minutes is enough to drive me insane lol. I'm way too used to this to go back now.

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Postby I`m Batman » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

I don't know why people like to argue about which is better than which. To me, they are 2 different products for different type of consumers. I own both. I have iPhone 5 and an Android OS on Nexus 7 (and multiple GoogleTVs). Both have it's own pros and cons.

iOS seems to be more stable and manage it's memory better. When Android runs low on memory everything just slow down to a crawl, you have to kill the tasks to free up the memory. iOS seems to handle that much better on its own.

iOS does have an easier interface to learn and pick up quickly. Android takes a little longer to learn and get used to, but once you do, there's so much more you can do.

I like how I never have to 'sync' my Android to some app and I have access to all my files without going through some app on the PC. There are some ways that you can get around iTunes with iOS. I never use iTunes on the PC for my phone. (except for backup/restore)

You have to remember that NOT everyone want all that flexibility, they will f*ck sh*t up if they don't know what they're doing. Some people just want simplicity and they want their hand to be held constantly. My iPhone is jailbroken so I have the best of both worlds.

Ever since the release of Android, I've always wanted Android to be better than iOS so I can switch over... but it never was (interface, battery life, etc)... I believe that Android has caught up to iOS (if not surpassed... barely). With that... my next phone will probably be an Android...
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Postby mOOsE » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote:1. Screen size. No contest here. The iPhone, even with the larger iPhone 5, still has a tiny ### screen. This one reason alone is enough for me to choose the GS3 over an iPhone 5, but there's more.

not everyone want's a giant screen
erod550 wrote:2. Opening commonly used apps directly from the lock screen. You can just swipe up from icons that you set on the lock screen to go directly into your messaging app, or Facebook, or the camera, or whatever you want. I use it most commonly for sending a text as I can unlock the phone directly into the messaging app without having to first unlock it and then open the messaging app.

The iPhone has a version of this. You swipe the message, takes you straight into the app.
erod550 wrote:3. Third party keyboards - I can install a custom keyboard that has predictive text; not just auto-correct but actually predicting what I'm going to type next and giving me the ability to just tap that next word without having to type it. I've saved over 114,000 keystrokes with my $2.99 Swiftkey keyboard in the last year.

+1 I love that keyboard. My Nexus 4 has the official google version and it's nice.
erod550 wrote:4. Swype/Flow/whatever you want to call it. Being able to drag from letter to letter to type takes some getting used to, but it is ideal for one-handed texting or typing of any kind. I use it primarily when I only have one hand free like if I'm eating and need to respond to a text, I can easily swype out a text with one hand.

basically number 3
erod550 wrote:5. Widgets. You're not limited to just having app shortcuts on your home screens. You can have actual useful information on them too. An example would be a widget that turns the flash on and off to use as a flashlight without actually having to open the flashlight app. Another is having buttons on the home screen for going straight to certain parts of Facebook like posting a status update, or checking in.

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erod550 wrote:6. Live wallpapers. A minor thing but a cool feature. Animated wallpapers are cool, especially the one I use that shows me the weather, even on the lock screen. If it's raining outside, it's raining on my phone. If it's snowing, it's snowing on my phone. If you're in a building without windows and you're wondering what it's doing outside, a quick glance at the screen will tell you. Also the snow landscape looks really cool, heh.

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erod550 wrote:7. Removable battery. I have a friend with an iPhone 4 who is going to have to get rid of the phone soon because the battery is dying and doesn't last as long and it cannot be replaced. Granted, an iPhone 4 is two generations ago and generally you will upgrade before having to worry about a worn out battery, but it's still something to consider. I also haven't had any freezing issues with this phone, but with past phones, being able to remove the battery as a hard reset when the phone is frozen and the power button isn't responsive is a nice ability to have.

nonsense, the iPhone battery is extremely replaceable. I do it all the time for the 150+ iPhone's I manage at work. 2 Screws for rear cover, 2 screws for battery connector and done. Cheap too, and batterie's have excellent lifespan compared to other manufacturers.
erod550 wrote:8. Smart rotate. You can turn on a setting that will lock the rotation of the screen if you are still looking at it the same way when the orientation changes. Example. You're reading an article in bed with the phone in portrait mode and you lay down on your side. Normally the phone will flip to landscape at this point because it's on its side. Smart rotate knows that you are also on your side by using the front camera and will keep the phone in portrait mode despite being on its side. I told my sister (an iPhone user) about this one last night and she was like "ooh, I want that!".

iPhone has this
erod550 wrote:9. Smart calling. Say you're texting someone and you need to call them because sometimes it's just easier. From the messaging app you can just put the phone up to your ear and it will call them. No extra button presses necessary. (another feature my sister was drooling over).

useful, but probably a jailbreak tweak that allows it too.
erod550 wrote:10. Expandable (and much cheaper) storage. A micro SD slot is a great way to give yourself more storage than you had initially. It also gives you the capability of having equivalent or higher storage than an iPhone without paying nearly as much to get it. An iPhone with 64GB of storage costs $200 more than the 16GB version, while you can buy a 16GB SGS3 and add an additional 64GB with a micro SD card for around $50. If you wanted 32GB, you'd have to pay $100 more for the 32GB iPhone while adding 16GB to a 16GB SGS3 would cost about $15.

My Nexus 4 isn't either, but meh.... only time i've run out of storage is on my iPad because of far more apps and music.
Android apps aren't as big usually, and music can be streamed via google Music. Yet to meet anyone that ran into this problem and needed an SD card, and actually, most Android users have a fraction of the apps compared to Apple.... just sayin ;)

I replied as it grinds my gears when there is nonsense facts from any fanboy camp. I've owned so many different Apple and Android devices that I can tell you that most "facts" are complete BS, and it comes down to what you want. iPhone is easier to use, but most people switch because the screen size. Nothing more, nothing less. They like Android features, but it's the screen that gets them. Trust me, when you have to support people and their phones, it's the tech nuts like me that use all the Android stuff... not the average consumer. Most Android arguements also forget the godsend that Apple created with iTunes... COMPLETE BACKUP, even wirelessly without iTunes I should say. itunes blows for everything else, but as a backup utility, especially for the average consumer, it's better than anything Google has right now.

Even after rooting, there isn't a method of backing up all your apps, app data, user settings, wallpaper, wifi networks, etc. But with the iPhone, you can upgrade to a new iPhone, sync and it will be identical in every aspect. Your angry birds scores are there, wifi networks, alerts, alarms, ringtones, user settings, pictures, videos, etc. It will not have a single missing piece of data compared to the old one. It was a major selling point of the iPhone from a technical support standpoint and I've had to turn novice users to iPhone from Android because of it. Believe me, it's annoying as hell to invest any sort of time into a game, app or customizing, then have to do it from scratch with each upgrade or replacement phone. There are also more bugs with Android, given the fragmented nature. But, after all that, I still rock Android for my phone and iOS for tablet. I hate restrictions and like to tinker :D PS, the GS3 is nice because of screen, thin and price. But holy moly is is laggy compared to our company 4S's, iPhone 5's or my Nexus 4. I am hoping the GS4 is smoother, as I may try it out. But pure Google is also butter smooth compared to the crap carriers or manufacturers are putting on phones. just wish some of the newer features were available, like the launcher for the HTC one... SICK

my biggest grip is fanboi-nature in general. People hate on Apple a lot, but many companies are much worse in reality. It's a friggen product they sell, so don't buy it. But don't sit on the high-horse for another company that uses the same shit factories, pays less, has less support, worse customer service, fewer american jobs, and worse quality control... because every other phone competitor is worse than apple at those things, but people worship them. buy the crap you like, maybe even try some other crap for fun like me, but don't post nonsense and pretend that Apple is evil lol... because they are ALL frikin EVIL lol

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Postby speedjunkie » Wed Jul 17, 2013 9:14

I'm thinking about switching to the S4 Active for my next phone. My main complaint with the iPhone is pretty simple, but very annoying to me...in order to add contacts to specific lists, you have to hook it up to a laptop and use the address book to do it. ARGH!!! When I meet car people and get their numbers, I'd like to put them directly into a contact list. I tend to forget people right now when I wait too long to hook it up to a laptop. Plus I dig the cool features on the S4 like the automatically scrolling page and when the video pauses automatically when you look away, although that stuff is also kinda creepy lol.
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Postby I`m Batman » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:14

I use Sync In A Blink. It sync to your google account anytime, no PC, and you can move your contacts from one list/group to another.
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Postby erod550 » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:14

Jailbreaking to get features kinda goes against the whole "it just works and I don't have to tinker with it" reasons that people buy the iPhone. It also completely voids your warranty, as does removing the cover to replace your own battery, again something that the people who just want simplicity and to use something without having to tinker with it will not do. So it's not really a selling point imo.

My sister would be interested to know how you can set up smart rotate on the iPhone because she couldn't find it. A quick Google search returns no results on being able to do it on an iPhone. You have to lock the rotation, then read what you're going to read, then unlock rotation again when you're done. Not the same thing.

And being able to swipe a notification on the lock screen to go straight to the messaging app is not the same thing as being able to turn the phone on with no waiting message and go straight to the messaging app, or go straight to Facebook, or straight to the phone app, or straight to anything you want as you can put any 5 apps you want on the lock screen for direct access.

I will give you that you get a more complete backup on an iPhone. Google is making progress here. My contacts and wifi passwords are all backed up automatically, but I had to make 2 clicks and set up my wallpaper and notification sounds again after setting up the new phone. All the apps installed themselves as well, but I don't know if I lost progress on any of them. I'm assuming I did. Most of the games I play keep your progress in the cloud anyway as you can access them from multiple devices. I had to manually back up my pictures, music, texts, and the data for a couple apps. It was easy for me as it was a simple drag and drop, but again that comes down to being comfortable with that kind of stuff, which not everyone is. So I will give the iPhone the win on that point.

But other than that one point, without voiding your warranty, you just can't get the same features on an iPhone that you get on an Android. And I don't know what lag you're talking about the GS3 having. I can go from app to app just as fast on my GS3 as on my iPad 4. There is no lag whatsoever.

I also wasn't making any comments on Apple's business practices, because I don't think any of us really want to know what goes on in any tech manufacturer's facilities. It's like loving hamburgers but not wanting to see where they come from. I'll just enjoy the end product, thank you.
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