Osama bin laden is dead!

[Colombia28]

How much money do we give to Pakistan each year anyway?

A lot. A lot in both a military capacity as well as economic aid. Less so recently, but in the past, especially right after 9/11 we gave Pakistan what you could call a SHIT ton of money.

[Number2]

only going to be another more americans are still going to die you take one another is formed to take his spot

that is crazy i didn't know that there would be more talibans are crazy they just keep on multiplying worst part is they don't speak English!!!

[speedjunkie]

What's this crap about already burying the body in the sea?!?! Seriously?

I heard that too, but I'm not sure how true it is. Supposedly that is Islmaic tradition...which seems a bit strange to me since it seems like most Islamic folks are not close to water LOL.

There is only going to be another. More Americans are still going to die. You take one, another is formed to take his spot.

Fixed. I understood it, but some others didn't lol.

But on that note, first, I don't know if any other individuals exist who will be able to step into his role. With his personal wealth and connections, he was able to be a skilled public face and leader for al Qaeda. I don't know how many other people who followed him will be able to do the same. Second, I don't know if an Osama2.0 is necessary. He worked to distribute terror cells throughout the world, each fully capable of devising, financing and performing terrorist acts independently. I think his organization is established enough to no longer need a single central leader. Third and finally, over these last few years, he has served more as a symbol for his followers rather than a direct leader and he will probably still serve that role even though he is dead. Which would negate the need for another "to take his spot".

But I do agree, this isn't going to end everything and was never seen as the final solution. It's just a (major) milestone in the process.

Are you really asking if anyone has the funding and connections? You must not know how rich most people are over there lol. There are PLENTY that could take his place. However, you are correct, he doesn't really need to be replaced. It's funny, I was reading in some paper that analysts or whoever were saying that Terrorism has been dealt a huge blow it will likely never recover from. SERIOUSLY?? LOL!!! Like killing one person, whether they be the leader or not, is really going to make a difference with a religion that largely hinges on conversion or death LOL. Of course people are going to say that it's only certain Muslims that are like that, and that's true. But which ones are correct, the good ones or the bad ones?

Bravo to the JSOC, Navy SEAL team six (DEVGRU), the CIA, and countless others who made it happen. I agree, this probably isn't a game changer, but it's a nice symbolic win. Anyone else think that Pakistan has some 'splaining to do?

Definitely. Bravo to them for sure! I'm not trying to take anything away from them, that's for sure. They did a huge thing and it is a nice symbolic victory. I just don't think it will change anything in the grand scheme of things. I love how the SEALS took care of the pirates too LOL.

How much money do we give to Pakistan each year anyway?

And another question, why are we giving away money to ANYONE at this point? And why have we in the past? Have we not learned yet that money doesn't buy you friendship? LOL This is like someone on welfare buying rounds at the bar lol.

[Colombia28]

I heard that too, but I'm not sure how true it is. Supposedly that is Islmaic tradition...which seems a bit strange to me since it seems like most Islamic folks are not close to water LOL.



Fixed. I understood it, but some others didn't lol.



Are you really asking if anyone has the funding and connections? You must not know how rich most people are over there lol. There are PLENTY that could take his place. However, you are correct, he doesn't really need to be replaced. It's funny, I was reading in some paper that analysts or whoever were saying that Terrorism has been dealt a huge blow it will likely never recover from. SERIOUSLY?? LOL!!! Like killing one person, whether they be the leader or not, is really going to make a difference with a religion that largely hinges on conversion or death LOL. Of course people are going to say that it's only certain Muslims that are like that, and that's true. But which ones are correct, the good ones or the bad ones?



Definitely. Bravo to them for sure! I'm not trying to take anything away from them, that's for sure. They did a huge thing and it is a nice symbolic victory. I just don't think it will change anything in the grand scheme of things. I love how the SEALS took care of the pirates too LOL.



And another question, why are we giving away money to ANYONE at this point? And why have we in the past? Have we not learned yet that money doesn't buy you friendship? LOL This is like someone on welfare buying rounds at the bar lol.

Water burial is not the tradition itself, it just happened to be how we decided to honor his religious ideologies. Islamic ideology states that the body must be laid to rest (buried) within 24 hours of death, and because no one wanted his body we "buried" it at sea.

We had and have been giving money to Pakistan for a number of reasons, chief of those reasons past and present has been to buy a stable (relative to the rest of the middle east) ally in the region. In the past we supplied Pakistan with lots of money to prevent it from falling to communism, and post 9/11 we took renewed interest and lending in order to aid our fight against terror. Pakistan can be really beneficial for the US in the region, they just have some serious internal problems that they are having a hard time dealing with.

I wrote my senior seminar paper on US-Pakistan relations... above is a very basic synopsis on the US-Pakistan relationship.

[roninsoldier83]

Water burial is not the tradition itself, it just happened to be how we decided to honor his religious ideologies. Islamic ideology states that the body must be laid to rest (buried) within 24 hours of death, and because no one wanted his body we "buried" it at sea.

We had and have been giving money to Pakistan for a number of reasons, chief of those reasons past and present has been to buy a stable (relative to the rest of the middle east) ally in the region. In the past we supplied Pakistan with lots of money to prevent it from falling to communism, and post 9/11 we took renewed interest and lending in order to aid our fight against terror. Pakistan can be really beneficial for the US in the region, they just have some serious internal problems that they are having a hard time dealing with.

I wrote my senior seminar paper on US-Pakistan relations... above is a very basic synopsis on the US-Pakistan relationship.

Yep, and I would suppose the decision to respect his religious views was made in order to differentiate our intolerance for terrorism from our respect and tolerance for religious views (however feigned a person might perceive them) in order to avoid infuriating one of the largest cultural/religious groups on Earth (i.e. Muslims).

It's a pretty smart move politically. Not nearly as insidious as tossing the body in a potato sack, burning it in the street and pissing on the ashes... I think the goal was to subdue terrorist attacks if at all possible rather than enraging a large community with a history of being relatively "unstable".

Just my $.02

[speedjunkie]

Water burial is not the tradition itself, it just happened to be how we decided to honor his religious ideologies. Islamic ideology states that the body must be laid to rest (buried) within 24 hours of death, and because no one wanted his body we "buried" it at sea.

Oh alright, gotcha.

However, why exactly were we worried about the burial wishes of a cowardly terrorist that killed ~3,000 of our innocent citizens? LOL

We had and have been giving money to Pakistan for a number of reasons, chief of those reasons past and present has been to buy a stable (relative to the rest of the middle east) ally in the region. In the past we supplied Pakistan with lots of money to prevent it from falling to communism, and post 9/11 we took renewed interest and lending in order to aid our fight against terror. Pakistan can be really beneficial for the US in the region, they just have some serious internal problems that they are having a hard time dealing with.

I wrote my senior seminar paper on US-Pakistan relations... above is a very basic synopsis on the US-Pakistan relationship.

I'm listening, go on. LOL

Kidding of course, that's a pretty good synopsis, good enough for me anyway haha. I will say again though, you cannot buy friendship. It may work for a time, but not ultimately. And you can't kill ideology with ammunition, but I think we're learning more about that everyday haha.

[speedjunkie]

Yep, and I would suppose the decision to respect his religious views was made in order to differentiate our intolerance for terrorism from our respect and tolerance for religious views (however feigned a person might perceive them) in order to avoid infuriating one of the largest cultural/religious groups on Earth (i.e. Muslims).

It's a pretty smart move politically. Not nearly as insidious as tossing the body in a potato sack, burning it in the street and pissing on the ashes... I think the goal was to subdue terrorist attacks if at all possible rather than enraging a large community with a history of being relatively "unstable".

Just my $.02

Politically, I do agree with this. As much as I'd rather burn him in a potato sack and piss on his ashes lol.

[JmJasky2]

Are you really asking if anyone has the funding and connections? You must not know how rich most people are over there lol. There are PLENTY that could take his place.

Well, to be perfectly honest, i wasn't really 'asking'... I was more just freely spouting opinion.
But the thoughts that got me there were this... Osama came from a rich family with far-reaching connections. If someone was to replace him, he too would have to be wealthy with connections throughout the Middle East and beyond, would have to align himself with Osama's radical views and would have to be willing to give up his wealth to take up Osama's mantle. Then he would need to choose to take that path and would have to be accepted into the inner circle. (I'm thinking that with this striking being the result of a trusted courier being followed, the big cheeses will be a lot more careful about who they trust...at least for a while.) While I agree that there are definitely other rich, well-connected people out there, I can image (or at least hope) that the odds of meeting all of those characteristics in a single individual would be pretty slim. But it does only take one.

And I am not significantly familiar with the cultures in the Middle East to be a trustworthy source for this type of info...

[reconbygod12]

should've just hung his body in time square

[Operator]

However, why exactly were we worried about the burial wishes of a cowardly terrorist that killed ~3,000 of our innocent citizens? LOL

Because we don't want to insult and alienate ourselves from even more Muslims, that already think we are at war with their religion.

[Colombia28]

Yep, and I would suppose the decision to respect his religious views was made in order to differentiate our intolerance for terrorism from our respect and tolerance for religious views (however feigned a person might perceive them) in order to avoid infuriating one of the largest cultural/religious groups on Earth (i.e. Muslims).

It's a pretty smart move politically. Not nearly as insidious as tossing the body in a potato sack, burning it in the street and pissing on the ashes... I think the goal was to subdue terrorist attacks if at all possible rather than enraging a large community with a history of being relatively "unstable".

Just my $.02

What Brandon said^^. By being respectful of his ideologies it only goes to show why the US is awesome. In spite of what he has done to not only our country, but the world over in many respect, we still have enough respect to acknowledge and accommodate his religions observances. It's been demonstrated far to often that himself and his cowardly "organization" would never do the same. Personally, i say **** him, i am proud to be a citizen of a country that is so respectful of others views and religious beliefs.

personal beliefs below about the burial, take it as you wish:
I also think it's incredibly smart that the US opted for a sea burial. We tried to give his body back to Saudi Arabia but they sure didn't want it back. We did the right thing here and i don't think anyone can say otherwise. Had he been returned to some terrorist loving state, the martyrdom celebrations and anti-American protests that would have occurred at his funeral would have been extremely detrimental and dangerous. I try not to shove my opinion onto the boards to often, but i don't think himself, his "cause", nor the United States would have deserved what would have come from a burial in his home turf. If his group and followers don't like it to fing bad. We respected his religious wishes enough.

/end personal rant

[erod550]

i am proud to be a citizen of a country that is so respectful of others views and religious beliefs.

Now if we could only get people to respect other US citizens views and religious beliefs and live and let live here at home, heh.

[Justin]

How much money do we give to Pakistan each year anyway?

2-4 billion dollars a year just in military aid.

[speedjunkie]

Well, to be perfectly honest, i wasn't really 'asking'... I was more just freely spouting opinion.
But the thoughts that got me there were this... Osama came from a rich family with far-reaching connections. If someone was to replace him, he too would have to be wealthy with connections throughout the Middle East and beyond, would have to align himself with Osama's radical views and would have to be willing to give up his wealth to take up Osama's mantle. Then he would need to choose to take that path and would have to be accepted into the inner circle. (I'm thinking that with this striking being the result of a trusted courier being followed, the big cheeses will be a lot more careful about who they trust...at least for a while.) While I agree that there are definitely other rich, well-connected people out there, I can image (or at least hope) that the odds of meeting all of those characteristics in a single individual would be pretty slim. But it does only take one.

And I am not significantly familiar with the cultures in the Middle East to be a trustworthy source for this type of info...

Haha I knew you were "asking", but I wasn't sure how else to put it haha. I see what you're saying. However, if they can convince their followers to blow themselves up, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't take much to get them to follow someone else even if he isn't exactly like Osama haha.

And in case you didn't know, there are MANY people over there that are rich. I'm not sure if they are as rich as Osama's family, but they are definitely rich. And if you guys didn't know this, the Bin Laden family are the ones that built our dorms on Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi, where I was a couple times in the early 2000s. What's ironic is I was there when Sept 11th went down, staying in the very dorms his family built. Although I believe his family pretty much disowned him after that, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, I'm also not sure he really gave up his wealth to take up what he did, but he did give up his family's wealth. He had to be using some of that money for funding his jihad I'm sure. For the record, I do hope you're right, that another Osama does NOT step up, but either way I'm not sure it matters since that huge ball is already rolling well on it's own.

Because we don't want to insult and alienate ourselves from even more Muslims, that already think we are at war with their religion.

You didn't read my very next post did you? LOL I got that already. I was more just voicing what I'd LIKE to happen haha.

What Brandon said^^. By being respectful of his ideologies it only goes to show why the US is awesome. In spite of what he has done to not only our country, but the world over in many respect, we still have enough respect to acknowledge and accommodate his religions observances. It's been demonstrated far to often that himself and his cowardly "organization" would never do the same. Personally, i say **** him, i am proud to be a citizen of a country that is so respectful of others views and religious beliefs.

personal beliefs below about the burial, take it as you wish:
I also think it's incredibly smart that the US opted for a sea burial. We tried to give his body back to Saudi Arabia but they sure didn't want it back. We did the right thing here and i don't think anyone can say otherwise. Had he been returned to some terrorist loving state, the martyrdom celebrations and anti-American protests that would have occurred at his funeral would have been extremely detrimental and dangerous. I try not to shove my opinion onto the boards to often, but i don't think himself, his "cause", nor the United States would have deserved what would have come from a burial in his home turf. If his group and followers don't like it to fing bad. We respected his religious wishes enough.

/end personal rant

Agreed.

2-4 billion dollars a year just in military aid.

Yeah because we TOTALLY don't have anything here at home that money could go to. LOL But I certainly don't expect anything to change.

[tsx_guy]

crude