To all the "haters"

[MazdaSweet3]

Dude learjet45....let the haters hate lol...its just motivation

[chickenwafer]

Anyone have the worlds tiniest violin handy? I seem to have misplaced mine....

You need to get some thicker skin and realize most of this was tongue in cheek humor and friendly ribbing. And before you overreact by threatening physical violence again, think about who you are talking to.

I never mentioned anything about modding your car, because frankly it's your business. But I will say think about what your long term goals are for the car and develop a plan around that, otherwise your car just turns into a parts hanger and it nothing better in the end.

[Learjet45]

i know getting a MS3 or MS6 is impossible at this state. in my mind it looks like the money from a mazda 6, + the money for a turbo kit will get you an rx-8 here locally. and youll probably be faster than the turbo kit, and as has been proven on this forum that is a car that CAN grow with you, you can get good hp out of it when you want it, it handles great. learning manual, I will never buy another automatic vehicle in my life. you think driving is fun in an auto try banging through the gears of a manual vehicle its like an epiphany

THE reason people are sketchy about turboing your car. for me i am great buddies with a old member here named cory that tried to turbo his mazda 3... this is a guy thats been working on cars for more than a minute, and couldnt get it running right even with the help of alot of very smart people on this forum. THAT is a big reason that so many people are telling you dont turbo it, aftermarket turbos are a pain in the a**, and almost everyone has a friend that has done it and has fought it every step of the way. even success stories like GR-8 ask him how much he fought with getting it installed tuned, etc

Like i said in your other thread. if you want to be more fun to drive and you are set on keeping it. do suspension, intake, exhaust, and then work on some aesthetic mods. arizona mazdaclub used to have a 6s, that was lowered, wheels, tint, i think a lip kit, and exhaust, and it was sexy as hell, didn't go anywhere fast, but it looked good doing it. it was nice to ride in, and the stereo was all top end. Modding does Have to be go fast, its more about making the car yours. everything has been done before so you wont be the first and definitely wont be the last.

you dont have to make your car fast in a straight line to beable to cruise and have fun where you should, in the mountains or a track. my 99rwhp miata, raped a 350z and an evo down in arizona on a downhill run off the mountain, good sticky tires on light wheels, and a full coilover setup plus some tightening of the nut behind the wheel through hpde's and seat time will get you faster on an autocross track or a mountain cruise than any hp mod will.

About that RX-8:
I'm looking at anywhere from 2.5k to 3k for a turbo kit from GP Werks. They have been finalizing details on three new kits for the 2.0L, 2.3L and 2.5L engines used in the 3 and 6. Main difference between the kits is the turbo size. Pair that with what I would be lucky to get for my car as is (after I put a new engine in it) and I'm probably still at least 1500-2000 short for that 8, if I spend a few hundred repairing my bumper and having the car detailed and fixed up to be in a better cosmetic condition (it has 146k miles and the body shows it). I know there are a couple up here for less or about the same (1 (possibly sold, not on their website inventory), 2 (sketchy), 3, 4, 5), and trust me, I would love an 8. But it would also be a DD and would require winter use, which isn't exactly the best idea with an 8.

And looking good: not to say that I don't want a car that looks good, but I am not that kinda person that wants an all show no go build. Sure, I want my car to look good, but that doesn't mean I'm going to spend all my money making it look good and nothing on performance. That would be silly

And I know that I can have fun without spending a ton by driving on mountain roads and what not. But at the same time, I never really go up to the mountains often. And with the Miata raping the evo and 350z: it's 99 rwhp. I ain't gotz no rwd in my 6 I kinda wish I did. I want a RWD car. But I don't have one, so I can't go down all those fancy shmancy hairpins and twisty curves as fast as you rwd folk. And sticky tires, light wheels, and coilovers for my car would be a large portion of the turbo kit cost (coilovers are at least 1k for my car, the better sets are closer to 1500, and wheels+tires could easily end up being another 800-1000 on top of that, so I would be sitting about 500 short of the cheapest of the three turbo kits, which is the one I would get more than likely.




Don't get me wrong, I would love an 8 and would sell my car in a heartbeat if I could. Let's say for the sake of being hypothetical, once I get my new (remanufactured) engine and tell kbb the car has 50k instead of close to 150k. That, combined with fixing the bumper and having the car detailed and paint touched up, I would still probably just barely have enough for an 8. I would sell the 6 and get an 8 if I could, but again, not my car to sell, and an 8 isn't practical for the snow with RWD.

[mog1017]

Ok Jon, gotta call your bs there. Several things.
1) I would trust my RX-8 over anything, even my subie in the winter. Best weight distribution, so I can pull it out if I oversteer somewhere, and with a nice set of blizzaks on it, I was driving my 8 as my winter car while most other people were scared to drive in their AWD and suv's.
2) RWD-FWD-AWD. Doesn't matter. Its the skills of the driver. FWD vehicles are essentially training wheels because many people couldn't handle RWD because they didn't really know how to drive. But the miata won not because it had rear RWD, but rather because miata's have amazing handling.
3) Turbos without suspension and tires are kind of pointless. Without the ability to transfer the power to the road, what's the point of having the power?
4) I have to agree that the 8 is out of the question. What people might have forgot is that you are 16. Even if it is a sedan, your insurance company will eat you alive.

Just my few cents. Take it with a grain of salt.

[GR-8]

I'm not a fam of salt. ;p

[reconbygod12]

gonna have to go with erod on this dont mod the car haha id love to see someone come up and punch me in the face i would shake their hand after id kick teh shi tout of them though, but i guess 12 year olds have balls these days

[Dange]

1) I would trust my RX-8 over anything, even my subie in the winter. Best weight distribution, so I can pull it out if I oversteer somewhere, and with a nice set of blizzaks on it, I was driving my 8 as my winter car while most other people were scared to drive in their AWD and suv's.

3) Turbos without suspension and tires are kind of pointless. Without the ability to transfer the power to the road, what's the point of having the power?

so true especially in these two, my current miata, turbo and all, has been my DD the past two years, through that blizzard last year and all winter this year and all i had was all season tires on stock wheels, and i managed to get everywhere i wanted to. if i had actual snow tires, nothing would have stopped that car. colorado is great at plowing the roads.

for number two, my old car handled good but still pretty shitty on stock suspension. snap oversteer, it plowed through turns, body roll was enough to upset my balance and when it wasnt oversteering it was understeering. it wasnt till i got the tires, as bars and coils that made my car a menace on the track. and about the rwd issue, how do you explain the civics and ms3's that kill at the track with upgraded suspension, my buddy has a naturally aspirated mid 90's civic si, that puts my msm to shame on the track and he has almost half the hp. its all driver skill and a well sorted suspension. with a good suspension, and some practice, even your car will beable to attack those "fancy shmancy hairpins and twisty curves" like most us rwd guys and better than others
tein basic coilovers are about 800-899 for your car. not the best but the difference between night and day of what you have now.
look at this regular mazda six chase an STI yes the sti pulls away on the straights, due to almost 2x the power, but he pulls in close through the turns. and the important thing is hes NOT getting away. and theres alot of videos with similar results.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xfg3-wvBQx8&feature=related"]YouTube - Mazda 6 & STi at MSR[/ame]


and he said it perfect with number 3, without being able to get that power to the ground it doesnt matter if you have 90 hp or 900 hp. ESPECIALLY in a fwd car. you are going to get wheel hop, spin and understeer into every single corner. yes youll be marginally faster in a straight line, but it will potentially make you slower than you are now on any cruise or track event. and you'll be regularly replacing tires engines and transmissions. my roomates speed 3 cant even get the stock hp to the ground with the stock tires. i think i remember reading somewhere that just good tires almost shave a second off their 1/4 mile time.

[mog1017]

gonna have to go with erod on this dont mod the car haha id love to see someone come up and punch me in the face i would shake their hand after id kick teh shi tout of them though, but i guess 12 year olds have balls these days

Dude, seriously. If you don't have anything nice to say just shut up. I used to be like you too, barely old enough to drink but thought I knew everything and that I ran shit. It won't get you anywhere. And before you talk shit to me why don't you tell me your rank and unit. I would love to tell your squad leader and CO all about how you like causing troubles with your superiors. Seriously. Just knock it off.

[Learjet45]

Ok Jon, gotta call your bs there. Several things.
1) I would trust my RX-8 over anything, even my subie in the winter. Best weight distribution, so I can pull it out if I oversteer somewhere, and with a nice set of blizzaks on it, I was driving my 8 as my winter car while most other people were scared to drive in their AWD and suv's.
2) RWD-FWD-AWD. Doesn't matter. Its the skills of the driver. FWD vehicles are essentially training wheels because many people couldn't handle RWD because they didn't really know how to drive. But the miata won not because it had rear RWD, but rather because miata's have amazing handling.
3) Turbos without suspension and tires are kind of pointless. Without the ability to transfer the power to the road, what's the point of having the power?
4) I have to agree that the 8 is out of the question. What people might have forgot is that you are 16. Even if it is a sedan, your insurance company will eat you alive.

Just my few cents. Take it with a grain of salt.

1) It's probably the stories I've heard and not actually having ever had a car with RWD in the winter. All I've been told by parents and other family members is that the snow makes it extremely difficult to drive in the snow and you can get stuck easily especially on hills and stuff (and going to school for me is basically all up hills and going back home it ends up being going down hills). I'm more worried about getting stuck and not being able to start moving forward again than I am having problems handling.
2) I know that RWD/FWD/AWD isn't everything and that experience is a large part of it. But after last weekend going up lookout mountain with Christi, Henry, and Pat, I would never try that in my 6. Not at the speeds we were going around those corners that is. No way I could make it at those speeds.
3) I wasn't planning on doing just a turbo. As a matter of fact, the first thing I really want to do is get a set of shocks/struts and springs. There's actually a set of Bilstein HD shocks on 6crew new in box for $100 less than therpmstore has them for. I also planned on getting some new springs as well (haven't decided on which ones yet though). And I don't know if I will prioritize on wheels. Tires are a likely change as well, but idk about wheels. Yeah, they would look better and save a bit of weight, but I don't know if I'm ready to spend that money yet. I'd rather get good tires for my steelies than spend a ton on new wheels and tires too.
4) Surprisingly, a quick quote on progessive (our insurance company) showed basically no difference in price (I actually think about $50 cheaper over 6 months) between my 05 6i and an 04 RX-8 (all the ones that seem to be possibilities [well, hypothetical possibilities] are 04s). I highly doubt that would end up being the actual case if I were to get one because I went with very basic coverage, and I know we don't have the very basics.



And recon, I don't think I'm the only one here that thinks you're a dick... I don't know, but it seems as though you don't seem to do much but try to cause trouble.

[mog1017]

It's over now. We all have different opinions. Its not going to get anywhere. Can a mod please lock this thread?

[Dange]

1)
2) I know that RWD/FWD/AWD isn't everything and that experience is a large part of it. But after last weekend going up lookout mountain with Christi, Henry, and Pat, I would never try that in my 6. Not at the speeds we were going around those corners that is. No way I could make it at those speeds.

see dont worry about power., christi iirc has an N/A rotary, with no offense intended ask any owner of one about their power especially at this altitude. PLUS you are saying not at those speeds, meaning you already have enough speed. but your car is far from being able to handle what it can put down stock.
i dont know what they are running for suspension, but yes your 6 could do that easily with a properly sorted suspension, and some practice.

and mog may be right, we arent getting anywhere. If you have your heart set on a turbo you are going to get it, and you have the right to it is YOUR car and do what you want dont let others flame you for doing what makes you happy. but there is ALOT of good advice and opinions from the people here that have "been-there-done-that" and its how WE would do it again if we had the chance.

[reconbygod12]

trust me if your national guard or a reserve my squad,section,psg,pl they owuld laugh at you especially if your a pog oh man

[christi]

gonna have to go with erod on this dont mod the car haha id love to see someone come up and punch me in the face i would shake their hand after id kick teh shi tout of them though, but i guess 12 year olds have balls these days

How about a cup of stfu? Seriously no reason for this at all. Are you this bad *** in this person as you are behind the screen?

[mog1017]

trust me if your national guard or a reserve my squad,section,psg,pl they owuld laugh at you especially if your a pog oh man

Actually Active Duty 8 years. E-6. 2/344th IT. Drill Sergeant. Two tours over in the sandbox when there was a real war still going on. 11B. Then 00G. And its a pogue, not a pog. Thats a coin game from the early 90's. Any more questions?

[erod550]

gonna have to go with erod on this dont mod the car haha id love to see someone come up and punch me in the face i would shake their hand after id kick teh shi tout of them though, but i guess 12 year olds have balls these days

Please don't think that him mentioning my name means that we are friends or that I agree with him on anything. My first post in this thread was a joke.