Just wanted to update everyone on the Ingalls ETD for the MS3. We are scheduled to do a final fitup on mOOse's car tomorrow with our prototype brackets. Prior to production, we would also like to check the fit of these prototypes on a non-speed3. I have loosely mocked them up at a dealership and really need to install one to confirm the fitment.
Once again we are looking for a Mazda 3 that you could drop off at our location in Louisville for 1/2 to full day. We will do a test install of the ETD kit, confirm the fitment and that everything is in order for our production run. For helping us out, you will keep the ETD that was installed.
If anyone is interested, please call or email me. I would really like to get this done early next week if possible. Thanks again CMZC.
Adam Moyer
Ingalls Engineering
303-665-7800
adamm@ingallseng.com
Ingalls Mazda 3 Test Vehicle & ETD Update
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Update:
The test fit on mOOse's MS3 went well. One slight adjustment for the production version and we are good to go. The kit should be available in less than 6 weeks.
Also, today I ran into a guy in the office next to ours that was renting a 3 sedan. So we used that as our test base for the 3 and all looks good. The kit will fit both the 3 and the MS3.
As far as why our is better than WeaponR's or NRG.
1. For this application, our brackets are fabricated from one piece, not welded like theirs. Welding the brackets leaves a larger chance for fabrication flaws, and I think they don't look as good as the bent ones.
2. Our engine side bracket is taller which allows for the ETD to have more leverage and be more effective. This also gives you more clearance to the oil fill on the MS3.
3. We replace the studs on the engine mount with longer metric class 10.9 studs instead of the bolts that NRG uses. This keeps the engine mount joint design the same as from the factory. The bolts that NRG uses will make the engine bracket install much more difficult. Tried it to install ours with bolts and hated it. WeaponR uses the original stud and when the bracket is placed on top of them there is not enough threads left on the stud to come through the nut. Makes me nervous.
4. Our kit is has more clearance to the A/C lines on the MS3 and where it does touch the metal is shaped to be completely smooth and not abrade the hose.
Those are the reasons I feel our product is better than those. My opinion of the competitor's is based on photo's and install write ups on the 'net. I have not personally seen or installed one of theirs on a MS3 or 3.
I'll post some teaser pic's later of the install on mOOse's car.
Adam Moyer
Ingalls Engineering
The test fit on mOOse's MS3 went well. One slight adjustment for the production version and we are good to go. The kit should be available in less than 6 weeks.
Also, today I ran into a guy in the office next to ours that was renting a 3 sedan. So we used that as our test base for the 3 and all looks good. The kit will fit both the 3 and the MS3.
As far as why our is better than WeaponR's or NRG.
1. For this application, our brackets are fabricated from one piece, not welded like theirs. Welding the brackets leaves a larger chance for fabrication flaws, and I think they don't look as good as the bent ones.
2. Our engine side bracket is taller which allows for the ETD to have more leverage and be more effective. This also gives you more clearance to the oil fill on the MS3.
3. We replace the studs on the engine mount with longer metric class 10.9 studs instead of the bolts that NRG uses. This keeps the engine mount joint design the same as from the factory. The bolts that NRG uses will make the engine bracket install much more difficult. Tried it to install ours with bolts and hated it. WeaponR uses the original stud and when the bracket is placed on top of them there is not enough threads left on the stud to come through the nut. Makes me nervous.
4. Our kit is has more clearance to the A/C lines on the MS3 and where it does touch the metal is shaped to be completely smooth and not abrade the hose.
Those are the reasons I feel our product is better than those. My opinion of the competitor's is based on photo's and install write ups on the 'net. I have not personally seen or installed one of theirs on a MS3 or 3.
I'll post some teaser pic's later of the install on mOOse's car.
Adam Moyer
Ingalls Engineering
IngallsEng wrote:Update:
The test fit on mOOse's MS3 went well. One slight adjustment for the production version and we are good to go. The kit should be available in less than 6 weeks.
Also, today I ran into a guy in the office next to ours that was renting a 3 sedan. So we used that as our test base for the 3 and all looks good. The kit will fit both the 3 and the MS3.
As far as why our is better than WeaponR's or NRG.
1. For this application, our brackets are fabricated from one piece, not welded like theirs. Welding the brackets leaves a larger chance for fabrication flaws, and I think they don't look as good as the bent ones.
2. Our engine side bracket is taller which allows for the ETD to have more leverage and be more effective. This also gives you more clearance to the oil fill on the MS3.
3. We replace the studs on the engine mount with longer metric class 10.9 studs instead of the bolts that NRG uses. This keeps the engine mount joint design the same as from the factory. The bolts that NRG uses will make the engine bracket install much more difficult. Tried it to install ours with bolts and hated it. WeaponR uses the original stud and when the bracket is placed on top of them there is not enough threads left on the stud to come through the nut. Makes me nervous.
4. Our kit is has more clearance to the A/C lines on the MS3 and where it does touch the metal is shaped to be completely smooth and not abrade the hose.
Those are the reasons I feel our product is better than those. My opinion of the competitor's is based on photo's and install write ups on the 'net. I have not personally seen or installed one of theirs on a MS3 or 3.
I'll post some teaser pic's later of the install on mOOse's car.
Adam Moyer
Ingalls Engineering
Can't wait to see the pic's
Another question that I thought might be helpful is the length of install time if someone were to purchase one?
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IngallsEng
You should be able to find them for ~$150-$160, about the same as any of our other basic kits. I would guess it would take average mechanically inclined person 1-1.5 hours to install in the MS3. The 3 will be easier since you will not have to fight the A/C hoses. It took me about 1.75 hours, but I was taking pictures, writing notes and measuring things. The 3 on the other hand took me 0.5 to install without the notes and such.
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Colombia28 wrote:Thanks for the update and photos. Looking forward to hearing what moose says about it, and how it helps.
Just got the car back but will post a more in-depth review/impressions after a few days of driving and observing. The hardware looks very top-notch though, and vibrations are non-existent. Coming from a car that has had motor mount inserts before, I can definitely appreciate not having any vibration. For an initial impression though, I would rate NVH as follows
Noise - Maybe a 2
Additional engine noise is common with engine dampers. If your AC is running or the radio is on, you likely won't hear a thing...but if it's dead quiet, you will notice some additional noise.
Vibration - 0-1
You will produce more vibration from passing gas...more noise too.
Harshness -
Harshness is subjective and I didn't notice any negative effects. The stock motor mounts cause a jerking/flopping sensation with the movement of the engine, so one could say that harshness has now achieved a negative rating...or gotten better.
More to come, will start a new thread in a day or two after I have had some time to drive.
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Ingalls Stiffy Now Available for the 3 and MS3
Our latest Stiffy Engine Torque Damper Kit is now available for the Mazda 3 and Mazdaspeed3.
Here is a link to our page:
http://www.ingallseng.com/product.php?productid=20320
Hit the Instructions button for install information.
You can order directly from us, but you will probably get a better price through one of our distributors. Here are a few in no particular order. These are so new they probably do not have them available on their websites yet, but they should know they are available so call them. Let me know if you have any problems finding one or have any questions.
http://www.iapdirect.com
http://www.ultrarev.com
http://www.motovicity.com
http://www.corsportusa.com
A big thanks to all those who helped out and to the administrators and moderators of this site for letting us work with CMZC to make this happen.
Adam Moyer
Ingalls Engineering Co.
Here is a link to our page:
http://www.ingallseng.com/product.php?productid=20320
Hit the Instructions button for install information.
You can order directly from us, but you will probably get a better price through one of our distributors. Here are a few in no particular order. These are so new they probably do not have them available on their websites yet, but they should know they are available so call them. Let me know if you have any problems finding one or have any questions.
http://www.iapdirect.com
http://www.ultrarev.com
http://www.motovicity.com
http://www.corsportusa.com
A big thanks to all those who helped out and to the administrators and moderators of this site for letting us work with CMZC to make this happen.
Adam Moyer
Ingalls Engineering Co.
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