Bandimere, Oct. 10th
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arctic_blue83
Launching an AWD car requires quite a bit of clutch abuse... I apologize for not running Dickey_P's car for him, honestly I just don't feel comfortable launching someone else's car, mostly because it requires a lot of abuse, and I don't want to be responsible for breaking something. I strongly recommend you AWD guys to do the clutch mod, and lower your clutches engagement point, as that makes it MUCH easier to launch.
As far as a launching method goes... Josh (aka FreeZingCx7) has been in my old MS6 when I launched it, and will testify, it felt like a bat out of hell. A good launch in an AWD car is typically under 1.9x 60ft time. What I used to do in my Speed6 is rev around 5000-5500, making sure to keep tapping the gas to build a little boost, then slip the clutch slowly, waiting for it to grab, and the moment you feel it grab, don't fully release the clutch, but put the gas all the way to the floor, when your speed catches up to the RPM THEN release the clutch. It took me a long time to learn that technique in my old WRX, but it worked very well, I always pulled anywhere from a 1.7-1.9 60ft time.
As far as a launching method goes... Josh (aka FreeZingCx7) has been in my old MS6 when I launched it, and will testify, it felt like a bat out of hell. A good launch in an AWD car is typically under 1.9x 60ft time. What I used to do in my Speed6 is rev around 5000-5500, making sure to keep tapping the gas to build a little boost, then slip the clutch slowly, waiting for it to grab, and the moment you feel it grab, don't fully release the clutch, but put the gas all the way to the floor, when your speed catches up to the RPM THEN release the clutch. It took me a long time to learn that technique in my old WRX, but it worked very well, I always pulled anywhere from a 1.7-1.9 60ft time.
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My best time was 15.409 with a 2.167 60' time. I know I could have broken into the 14s with a decent launch, maybe with a couple more days at the track I'll have my launch down.
Rich, something is wrong. Either you are shifting too early/late or you has some sort of leak. With that 60' time you should be in the mid to low 15s as you can see with my run. Did you ride out 4th gear to the end or did you shift to 5th?
By the way, pay no attention to my reaction time, I was more worried about launching than anything else.
My best time was 15.409 with a 2.167 60' time. I know I could have broken into the 14s with a decent launch, maybe with a couple more days at the track I'll have my launch down.
Rich, something is wrong. Either you are shifting too early/late or you has some sort of leak. With that 60' time you should be in the mid to low 15s as you can see with my run. Did you ride out 4th gear to the end or did you shift to 5th?
By the way, pay no attention to my reaction time, I was more worried about launching than anything else.
2006 SPEED6 Liquid Platinum Sport w/ Nav
Mods Completed - VG Sharkfin, 3M Clear Bra, SU Motor Mount, SU Test Pipe, 35% tint, VEI Digital Boost Gauge, Custom Defrost Vent Pod, PG Exhaust Manifold, CPE Turbo Inlet Pipe, CPE FMIC, Hacked Mazdaspeed CAI into SRI, Synapse BOV, Cobb Accessport EMS Tuner, CPE Dual 3" Catback Exhaust
Mods Needed - Catted Downpipe and finally a tune.
Mods Completed - VG Sharkfin, 3M Clear Bra, SU Motor Mount, SU Test Pipe, 35% tint, VEI Digital Boost Gauge, Custom Defrost Vent Pod, PG Exhaust Manifold, CPE Turbo Inlet Pipe, CPE FMIC, Hacked Mazdaspeed CAI into SRI, Synapse BOV, Cobb Accessport EMS Tuner, CPE Dual 3" Catback Exhaust
Mods Needed - Catted Downpipe and finally a tune.
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arctic_blue83
For any of you guys that had problems at the track last night, I posted up a thread with several drag racing techniques I've learned over the years, check it out-
http://coloradomazdaclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=269
http://coloradomazdaclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=269
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Mr.jake
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (arctic_blue83 @ Oct 11 2007, 06:42 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=4572]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
Yea I remember a few launches. And that was way before the beast you turned that into. I wish the speed3 was AWD [img]http://coloradomazdaclub.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]
Launching an AWD car requires quite a bit of clutch abuse... I apologize for not running Dickey_P's car for him, honestly I just don't feel comfortable launching someone else's car, mostly because it requires a lot of abuse, and I don't want to be responsible for breaking something. I strongly recommend you AWD guys to do the clutch mod, and lower your clutches engagement point, as that makes it MUCH easier to launch.
As far as a launching method goes... Josh (aka FreeZingCx7) has been in my old MS6 when I launched it, and will testify, it felt like a bat out of hell. A good launch in an AWD car is typically under 1.9x 60ft time. What I used to do in my Speed6 is rev around 5000-5500, making sure to keep tapping the gas to build a little boost, then slip the clutch slowly, waiting for it to grab, and the moment you feel it grab, don't fully release the clutch, but put the gas all the way to the floor, when your speed catches up to the RPM THEN release the clutch. It took me a long time to learn that technique in my old WRX, but it worked very well, I always pulled anywhere from a 1.7-1.9 60ft time.[/b]
Yea I remember a few launches. And that was way before the beast you turned that into. I wish the speed3 was AWD [img]http://coloradomazdaclub.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img]
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arctic_blue83
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Spatty @ Oct 11 2007, 10:52 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=4624]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
AWD is a double-edged sword my friend... yeah it helps with traction, which is nice, but it comes with a couple penalties.... like weight, if you look at the old DSM's, the GS-T was FWD turbo, whereas the GSX was AWD turbo, other than that they were identical, although because the GSX was AWD it weighed almost 300 lbs more... also drivetrain loss, while FWD cars typically only lose 10-15% power through the drivetrain, AWD cars can lose anywhere from 18-30% power. Take a GS-T & GSX, both rated at the same power, put them on the same dyno, and the GS-T will put down more power pretty much everytime.... also, AWD cars have more drivetrain reverberation, meaning that rather than torque/shock load being dissapated through the wheels, it reverberates back through the drivetrain, meaning pressure isn't relieved through the drivetrain, making it more likely to break things. You'll probably never have to worry about breaking differentials, transfer cases (don't have one lol) or your transmission, whereas the AWD Speed6 even though it has the same transmission (only modified for AWD) will run a MUCH higher chance of breaking things. I bet the only thing Speed3's at mild power levels will have to worry about breaking is half shafts, which are cheap in comparison lol.
So yeah, AWD is nice, traction is great, but it comes at a very steep price. Every drivetrain has it's disadvantages.... like RWD for example..... contrary to popular belief, RWD is actually the best configuration for drag racing, that is when coupled with slicks and a drag suspension. It doesn't have all the extra weight and complexity of AWD, it doesn't have the understeer, or torque steer problems of FWD but it also doesn't have the stability of either one of them.... making it perform poorly in comparison in inclimate weather conditions, or in the use of an amatuer driver. I'll stop ranting right now lol.
Yea I remember a few launches. And that was way before the beast you turned that into. I wish the speed3 was AWD [img]http://coloradomazdaclub.com/forums/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif[/img][/b]
AWD is a double-edged sword my friend... yeah it helps with traction, which is nice, but it comes with a couple penalties.... like weight, if you look at the old DSM's, the GS-T was FWD turbo, whereas the GSX was AWD turbo, other than that they were identical, although because the GSX was AWD it weighed almost 300 lbs more... also drivetrain loss, while FWD cars typically only lose 10-15% power through the drivetrain, AWD cars can lose anywhere from 18-30% power. Take a GS-T & GSX, both rated at the same power, put them on the same dyno, and the GS-T will put down more power pretty much everytime.... also, AWD cars have more drivetrain reverberation, meaning that rather than torque/shock load being dissapated through the wheels, it reverberates back through the drivetrain, meaning pressure isn't relieved through the drivetrain, making it more likely to break things. You'll probably never have to worry about breaking differentials, transfer cases (don't have one lol) or your transmission, whereas the AWD Speed6 even though it has the same transmission (only modified for AWD) will run a MUCH higher chance of breaking things. I bet the only thing Speed3's at mild power levels will have to worry about breaking is half shafts, which are cheap in comparison lol.
So yeah, AWD is nice, traction is great, but it comes at a very steep price. Every drivetrain has it's disadvantages.... like RWD for example..... contrary to popular belief, RWD is actually the best configuration for drag racing, that is when coupled with slicks and a drag suspension. It doesn't have all the extra weight and complexity of AWD, it doesn't have the understeer, or torque steer problems of FWD but it also doesn't have the stability of either one of them.... making it perform poorly in comparison in inclimate weather conditions, or in the use of an amatuer driver. I'll stop ranting right now lol.
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arctic_blue83
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dommo_g @ Oct 11 2007, 11:37 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=4645]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
EDIT: Just noticed you had a Speed3. What do you have done to it? What was your 60ft time?
Best was a 15.019 @ 92.60....bleh. I was hoping to force that bitch into a 14.999999999.[/b]
EDIT: Just noticed you had a Speed3. What do you have done to it? What was your 60ft time?
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arctic_blue83
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rich @ Oct 11 2007, 12:10 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=4666]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
Here is a short list of mods I think would help a lot of the Speed6 driver's:
1) Boost gauge. If you're getting a leak, this is the best way to tell.
2) Clutch mod. Which can be found here- http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?show...59565&st=16
^^^About the clutch mod, people such as digger10t over on Mazda6club have taken as much as 3/10ths of a second off their 60ft time after modding the clutch... it really does make launching that much easier.
3) Motor mount. Helps take down missing gears, and drivetrain lash.
I will now quote digger10t's method of launching in case some of you would like to try it-
"HOLD THE REVS AROUND 4K WHILE THE LIGHTS DROP, AS THE LAST 2ND TO LAST YELLOW LIGHTS UP I PEDAL IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND LET THE CLUTCH OUT SLOWLY AT FIRST, THEN STRAIGHT OFF"
^^^With that method, he was able to pull off 1.7x 60ft times. Everyone has their own methods. Another idea, if you get a boost gauge, you could also pick up a cheap MBC. These cars run rich in the upper RPMs, as boost drops off badly. If you got a boost gauge, and were seeing 13psi at peak, you could just adjust a MBC to see the same peak boost pressures, which in theory would allow you to hold more boost above 5000rpm, making peak power where it should be, around 5500rpm.
Mike, by looking at your slip I can see your 1/8 MPH is almost 4 more than mine. Seems like my 2nd and 3rd gears aren't giving me what I should expect.[/b]
Here is a short list of mods I think would help a lot of the Speed6 driver's:
1) Boost gauge. If you're getting a leak, this is the best way to tell.
2) Clutch mod. Which can be found here- http://forum.mazda6club.com/index.php?show...59565&st=16
^^^About the clutch mod, people such as digger10t over on Mazda6club have taken as much as 3/10ths of a second off their 60ft time after modding the clutch... it really does make launching that much easier.
3) Motor mount. Helps take down missing gears, and drivetrain lash.
I will now quote digger10t's method of launching in case some of you would like to try it-
"HOLD THE REVS AROUND 4K WHILE THE LIGHTS DROP, AS THE LAST 2ND TO LAST YELLOW LIGHTS UP I PEDAL IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND LET THE CLUTCH OUT SLOWLY AT FIRST, THEN STRAIGHT OFF"
^^^With that method, he was able to pull off 1.7x 60ft times. Everyone has their own methods. Another idea, if you get a boost gauge, you could also pick up a cheap MBC. These cars run rich in the upper RPMs, as boost drops off badly. If you got a boost gauge, and were seeing 13psi at peak, you could just adjust a MBC to see the same peak boost pressures, which in theory would allow you to hold more boost above 5000rpm, making peak power where it should be, around 5500rpm.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rich @ Oct 11 2007, 12:10 PM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=4666]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
Are you talking about my slips? I you are, my name is Patrick, and you should post yours to compare side by side.
Mike, by looking at your slip I can see your 1/8 MPH is almost 4 more than mine. Seems like my 2nd and 3rd gears aren't giving me what I should expect.[/b]
Are you talking about my slips? I you are, my name is Patrick, and you should post yours to compare side by side.
2006 SPEED6 Liquid Platinum Sport w/ Nav
Mods Completed - VG Sharkfin, 3M Clear Bra, SU Motor Mount, SU Test Pipe, 35% tint, VEI Digital Boost Gauge, Custom Defrost Vent Pod, PG Exhaust Manifold, CPE Turbo Inlet Pipe, CPE FMIC, Hacked Mazdaspeed CAI into SRI, Synapse BOV, Cobb Accessport EMS Tuner, CPE Dual 3" Catback Exhaust
Mods Needed - Catted Downpipe and finally a tune.
Mods Completed - VG Sharkfin, 3M Clear Bra, SU Motor Mount, SU Test Pipe, 35% tint, VEI Digital Boost Gauge, Custom Defrost Vent Pod, PG Exhaust Manifold, CPE Turbo Inlet Pipe, CPE FMIC, Hacked Mazdaspeed CAI into SRI, Synapse BOV, Cobb Accessport EMS Tuner, CPE Dual 3" Catback Exhaust
Mods Needed - Catted Downpipe and finally a tune.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (arctic_blue83 @ Oct 11 2007, 11:40 AM) [url=index.php?act=findpost&pid=4647]<{POST_SNAPBACK}>[/url]</div>
His Speed3 is completely stock like mine. My best time was a 15.8 and that was my 5th and last run against a Pontiac Firebird "Firehawk" that I walked away from after the 1/8 mile. Woo hoo, my fun and excitement for the night! Lol I'll admit drag racing is not my thing though... Mtn. runs and twisties!
EDIT: Just noticed you had a Speed3. What do you have done to it? What was your 60ft time?[/b]
His Speed3 is completely stock like mine. My best time was a 15.8 and that was my 5th and last run against a Pontiac Firebird "Firehawk" that I walked away from after the 1/8 mile. Woo hoo, my fun and excitement for the night! Lol I'll admit drag racing is not my thing though... Mtn. runs and twisties!
2007 Mazdaspeed3 Sport</span>
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-Tein S-Tech Springs
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-Mazdaspeed Short Ram Intake
-HKS SSQV Bov
-Tein S-Tech Springs
-225/40/18 Nitto Neo Gen Tires on RX-8 Wheels
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