Club Install Weekend Apr 16th and 17th

ecam8000 · Postby **ecam8000** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

To me, this is a good example of why we are on these forums, to learn and teach. Both of you are very right! Thanks for your input.

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

bellalyssa wrote:I had no idea, I apologize man

Hey, you have no reason to apologize, you did nothing wrong. Unless of course you're just giving your condolences, then thanks LOL. If your friends had good experiences with him then why would you have any reason to believe otherwise, ya know? I'm just giving MY experiences and my opinion. Dave said he didn't even hear Harvey say that (about the overheating), so for all anyone knows I could be lying through my teeth, but I promise you I'm not lol. I was standing a few feet away from the car and he was in the driver's seat and when he said that and I saw that he was tapping on the water temp gauge, I walked up to see what he was talking about and my jaw dropped. I imagine that he did know what it was, I would hope so anyway since the gauge says "water temp" and it was blinking red and reading way too high, but even so I would imagine he would react more like "hey let's shut this thing down immediately" rather than "oh look at that, that's cute" lol.

Regulator · Postby **Regulator** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

Operator wrote:Who's kit did you buy, I know of a few online DIY instructions online.

I was thinking of going with the Devils Own stage I because of the price and because I don't plan on modding my car much more than it sits now.

Operator · Postby **Operator** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

This site has a good set of FAQ: http://www.snowperformance.net/faqs_type.php?type=gasoline Although it's not D. Own kit I venture the info is the same.

I went with Cooling Mist as I'm on a tight budget, and it was less expensive than D. Own, Snow Performance, AEM, or Aqua Mist.
Here's thier install: http://www.coolingmist.com/instructions/standardkitinstructions.pdf

chickenwafer · Postby **chickenwafer** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

Just to be clear I still believe Harvey is a solid tuner (although he's never tuned anything of mine and probably never will) but he can be pretty absent minded sometimes, and his sense of humor isn't always funny and can come across as rather crass.

If I was in Eric's shoes I would feel the same way. I don't remember seeing the gauge or anything about it probably because I was starting to build a map when I happened. I'm not sure if it overheating had anything to do with the bearing failure, but I'm positive it didn't help matters.

You live and learn, and some people just rub others the wrong way. Because of this, I may choose not to go back to Harvey for the rest of my own tuning and my customers tuning if this is how he treats people and how people feel after getting tuned by me at his location.

/my 0.2 cents

Number2 · Postby **Number2** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

speedjunkie wrote:Hey, you have no reason to apologize, you did nothing wrong. Unless of course you're just giving your condolences, then thanks LOL. If your friends had good experiences with him then why would you have any reason to believe otherwise, ya know? I'm just giving MY experiences and my opinion. Dave said he didn't even hear Harvey say that (about the overheating), so for all anyone knows I could be lying through my teeth, but I promise you I'm not lol. I was standing a few feet away from the car and he was in the driver's seat and when he said that and I saw that he was tapping on the water temp gauge, I walked up to see what he was talking about and my jaw dropped. I imagine that he did know what it was, I would hope so anyway since the gauge says "water temp" and it was blinking red and reading way too high, but even so I would imagine he would react more like "hey let's shut this thing down immediately" rather than "oh look at that, that's cute" lol.

That's an awful experience. You trust a tuner to be a master at his craft...

chickenwafer · Postby **chickenwafer** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

To clarify Harvey was not tuning Eric's car, I was, but the motor had issues even before we began tuning. Harvey fully admits to not know anything about rotaries or how to tune them.

speedjunkie · Postby **speedjunkie** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

Operator wrote:This site has a good set of FAQ: http://www.snowperformance.net/faqs_type.php?type=gasoline Although it's not D. Own kit I venture the info is the same.

I went with Cooling Mist as I'm on a tight budget, and it was less expensive than D. Own, Snow Performance, AEM, or Aqua Mist.
Here's thier install: http://www.coolingmist.com/instructions/standardkitinstructions.pdf

I know one of the turbo Buick forums as TONS of info on water injection too, I just don't know what the site is. Huge help I am LOL.

chickenwafer wrote:Just to be clear I still believe Harvey is a solid tuner (although he's never tuned anything of mine and probably never will) but he can be pretty absent minded sometimes, and his sense of humor isn't always funny and can come across as rather crass.

If I was in Eric's shoes I would feel the same way. I don't remember seeing the gauge or anything about it probably because I was starting to build a map when I happened. I'm not sure if it overheating had anything to do with the bearing failure, but I'm positive it didn't help matters.

You live and learn, and some people just rub others the wrong way. Because of this, I may choose not to go back to Harvey for the rest of my own tuning and my customers tuning if this is how he treats people and how people feel after getting tuned by me at his location.

/my 0.2 cents

Honestly I don't think the overheating had anything to do with the failure either, and I don't remember the coolant seals being all that bad when we tore down the engine, but I could be wrong. However, if the engine hadn't blown, I don't think it would have lasted much longer due to the overheating.

And don't choose to not use Harvey's dyno on my account, it wouldn't offend me at all if you decided to still use his dyno. I know I will never go back to him though. It seems as though others have had good experiences with him, but I wanted my experience to be known too. I'm not sure if that's why you're saying you may not go back, I just wanted you to know either way.

Number2 wrote:That's an awful experience. You trust a tuner to be a master at his craft...

Yeah like Dave said, he wasn't doing the tuning, but I still expected him to be able to recognize problems with the car if he was sitting in the driver's seat instead of me lol. Honestly I would have rather been in the driver's seat just for that reason.

chickenwafer wrote:To clarify Harvey was not tuning Eric's car, I was, but the motor had issues even before we began tuning. Harvey fully admits to not know anything about rotaries or how to tune them.

Yeah I think the main problem occurred on the way up there. I was still in gear and letting the car coast and suddenly the exhaust started making a different noise. I can't really explain it, but the closest thing I can think of is like a light gargling sound added to the normal exhaust noise lol. If I had to guess, that would be the time that the main problems started.

Learjet45 · Postby **Learjet45** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

I kinda feel like we're hijacking Chad's weekend to get stuff done on his car and using the free labor to get stuff done on everyone elses' cars. After all, he is the one that just came back from active duty.

christi · Postby **christi** » Wed Apr 06, 2011 9:14

^
It is to help Chad, but Ecam also opened it for anyone else who needed help =P

ecam8000 · Postby **ecam8000** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:14

christi wrote:^
It is to help Chad, but Ecam also opened it for anyone else who needed help =P

Agreed, this thread will go stale in a bit over a week. Chad started it, but it evolved into a club "Tech Day". I'm hoping those that need stuff done on their cars, or just want to learn how to do routine maintenance will come and learn from the "senior" members. My place is not a shop, but it is rather well equipped and I have room. Chad's car is center stage, but we can handle the others if we have the "help".

And there will be food!

Postby **RX-7 Chris** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:14

We already know that you are a senior member but am I one? I'm not that old, haha.

bellalyssa · Postby **bellalyssa** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:14

I'm a senior in college... does that count?

And yes!! Food!! I have the hambuger meat covered but I still haven't found anyone willing to get buns, hot dogs or other delicious side items.

ecam8000 · Postby **ecam8000** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:14

I knew that was going to bite me! I'm talking about folks who are willing to pass on their learned knowledge to the others that want to learn.

It's a tribe thing. Sheesh!

ecam8000 · Postby **ecam8000** » Thu Apr 07, 2011 9:14

bellalyssa wrote:
And yes!! Food!! I have the hambuger meat covered but I still haven't found anyone willing to get buns, hot dogs or other delicious side items.

We will get a list started of who and what to bring.

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