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Postby mOOsE » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:14

Huzer wrote:The only mention of Biden in that article was that he was sent a letter from someone in California.

oh I know. The Attorney General sent a letter to him... She wants Biden to use California as a model lol... SCARY. Hence he should more or less stay the fudge away from that state.
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Postby Huzer » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:14

Brigdh wrote:There is a bit of a difference between having something that once was legal, and something that was never legal to begin with. Typically (although its a bit of a case by case basis) when the government seizes your property for any reason, you usually have some measure of reimbursement. It could be these people had 90 days to sell the firearms, otherwise they would the be seized, in which case there is quite a bit less footing to stand on there. Depends on the level, although by and large things have been moving away from Eminent Domain and towards civil forfeiture.


As far as my drug analogy, the constitution doesn't say drugs are illegal. Cocaine was once legal. We've had that right taken away from us. Also, criminals (that aren't supposed to have guns) KNOW they aren't supposed to have them. So, by them doing something illegal (owning guns), the government (taxpayers) should pay them back? That makes no sense. I've previously stated I don't support the gun laws, but I do support criminals losing the right to own firearms.
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Postby Brigdh » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14

New Topic :)

You remember maybe a year or two ago when Toyota vehicles were accelerating on their own and causing accidents?

Apparently Toyota is being sued in a class action suit alleging that Toyota (and Lexus/Scion) vehicles are defective, and that Toyota is liable for the costs that owners incurred when they sold a vehicle because the value took a hit, or the owner returned the leased vehicle early, or some other economic loss because the incidents were highly publicized.

You can read all about it here: http://toyotaelsettlement.com/

I found out about this because my mother was included in the suit, and received a post card that she might be getting some compensation as part of the upcoming settlement. Since she knows nothing about cars, she asked me to investigate.

What I found pissed me off, and made me wonder how this suit wasn't thrown out on day 1.

Apparently even though the NHSTA and NASA concluded in very extensive investigation that Toyota vehicles were not defective, someone figured out they could probably use a civil suit to extort millions from Toyota.

Its clear to me from the list of "subject vehicles" that someone is trying to make the case bigger than it should be if it were just about the vehicles that were reported to be accelerating on their own. I highly doubt that 1998 Supras (included in the suit) have drive by wire, and if they did, I doubt even more that the DBW in a Supra is as sophisticated as one in a 2010 Prius. I remember when this was going on, and the NHSTA had a list of vehicles that were possible defective, before the investigation was completed. My mother's Camry was not listed at the time, yet she's been added to this suit. Her car doesn't have DBW, nor as far as I can tell were any Camry's of her model year ever reported as experiencing this unintended acceleration.

Another reason it looks like the numbers in the class are being inflated to me: its extremely easy to submit a claim to get some of the settlement money, you just fill out a simple form on the above website, but if you want to opt-out, and retain your right to sue Toyota now or in the future, you have to write a letter with specific details, and mail it in. You can't sent an email, or fax the letter, or anything else that would be easy in this day and age.

I figured out that assuming my mother was even eligible, the most she could get would be $37.50 and an extended warranty on parts that almost never break. According to the above website, the lawyers get $200 million, plus expenses.

If this is how a class action suit "should be", I want no part of it, and I think it might be best if class action suits are abolished.

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Postby chromal » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14

Frivolous class action lawsuits like what you describe give a bad name to ones where people really have been harmed. Too often what motivates these is the lawyer payout in the settlement or judgement.

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Postby erod550 » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14

I heard about this a while back and couldn't believe it. Toyota should not be liable in any way for the resale value of their cars. Should the fact that Kias have had a reputation for being shitty mean you should be able to sue them because the Kia you bought for the same price as you could have bought a Honda sold for less than a used Honda would have sold for? Once that car is off the lot, other than warranty concerns, Toyota has no responsibility to the owner of that car, especially when it comes to reselling the car which is something the original manufacturer gets no cut of, and has no part in. You're right, it's just a money grab and it pisses me off too.
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Postby kingtut » Sun Mar 17, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote:...Kias have had a reputation for being shitty...


Disagree.
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Postby mOOsE » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

kingtut wrote:Disagree.

haha, I think this was out of pure principle lol

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Postby Huzer » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

Yes, the lawyers compensation for Class Action suits is way out of whack compared to what the settlement is for the people that actually incurred the problems supposedly being addressed by the suit. Unintended acceleration...hey idiots, QUIT STACKING FLOORMATS!!
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Postby erod550 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

kingtut wrote:Disagree.


They are definitely getting better and I would certain consider buying a new Optima. But 10 years ago they were terrible. I actually bought a brand new Sephia and returned it 4 days later because the thing would not shift out of Park until fully warmed up. It was a POS.
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Postby kingtut » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

mOOsE wrote:haha, I think this was out of pure principle lol


Ha ha...possibleh.

But by that logic, any affordable car is shitty. Heck, Mustangs have been "shitty" for years- until just recently.
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Postby erod550 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

Doesn't have anything to do with the original selling price. Has to do with the reputation for being of low quality and breaking down all time. Same thing with older Hyundais. Although I guess you could look at purchase price somewhat as they were cheaper for a reason. But I was not basing it solely on the fact that they were "budget" cars.

Both Kia and Hyundai have worked hard to reverse that reputation and have built better cars in recent years. But the first ones they built were not of good quality.
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Postby RX-7 Chris » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

tut has a kia, haha
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Postby erod550 » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

kingtut wrote:Heck, Mustangs have been "shitty" for years- until just recently.


I'm sure this was an attempt to dig at my car, but I actually agree with you. I never would have bought any pre-2011 Mustang because they were crap (not counting the classics of course). You could get a Camaro for the same price that would blow the doors off any Mustang except the Terminators. It was only reversed starting in 2011 with the re-emergence of the 5.0.

I did like Fox bodies though. A '93 Cobra would be a bitching project car.
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Postby kingtut » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

Ha ha Chris...whatta dick! (I do have a Kia).

Oh no dude, no dig on your Mustang. I was just providing an equal example, as you have one. I've actually always liked Mustangs...
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Postby Justin » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:14

erod550 wrote:I did like Fox bodies though. A '93 Cobra would be a bitching project car.


I've kicked around building a Fox body. They aren't crazy heavy, and I've got bunches of random Ford parts floating around my garage. Comparatively cheap to build, too, when you figure how easy it is to put stupid power in. A buddy is building a 427 stroker that will make about 500hp and 550ft/lbs without boost at Denver altitude.

Mandatory political content: I'm consistently amazed at the stupidity of the NRA. Sorry, but how much of an asshat do you have to be to insist that those who have been found dangerous enough to warrant a protective order should keep their guns? Wouldn't that be part of the screening that the NRA suggested awhile back to weed out the scary people who shouldn't have guns?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/us/facing-protective-orders-and-allowed-to-keep-guns.html?_r=0


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