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Postby Originalguy » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:14

erod550 wrote:I think he meant to put the fan on the TMIC. Could be wrong on that though.


Even so the fan would have to be super thin and lite and you would probably have to drill into the hood because adhesive would probably just melt and then it's not really helping airflow that much anyway it would have to have a more powerful motor than would fit in that space
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Postby chickenwafer » Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:14

I know some people who put turbo kits on their 8's, and subsequently have FMICs, use slim electric fans to aid in cooling mounted in a puller setup behind the intercooler core. If you have any understanding of rotaries you know they run hot and getting over 240*F can be the death of any rotary.

Most of us even install a secondary radiator, working our way to Bugatti Veyron status (which is has 7 radiators)

But chemical intercoolering (water/meth injection) is really the way to go for any setup. The cost of a kit isn't that bad nowadays, install isn't terrible, and the benefits are HUGE. I have seen my IATs drop over 100*F spraying a 51/49% mix of water/methanol when I was in Phoenix. Getting a 60*F intake charge, post turbo, and on a 116*F ambient temp day where the tarmac is easily over 155*F is no small feat.
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Postby erod550 » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:14

How quickly do you run out of meth/water solution? I assume it only sprays when you are in boost, right? I have a 112-mile round trip commute to work and would hate to have to fill up the reservoir every day.
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Postby chickenwafer » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:14

Yeah, you only inject when in boost, and all quality kits on the market are progressive. Meaning you set a Start Spray setting for say 6psi and and End Spray setting for your max boost of 17psi or whatever. So the controller progressively ramps up voltage to the pump which can start spraying at 60psi all the way up to 220psi at max voltage on some kits.

I run a lot of water/meth, I start spraying pretty early around 4psi and hit my max spray at around 13psi. I've hooked the pump up to test it spraying outside the intake track and at full voltage it will empty a gallon quickly. The nozzle which atomizes the droplets slows your volume down significantly, as well, and this is how you can fine-tune how much water/meth you inject.

I don't drive my car that often to really track my water/meth usage, but doing about 30-40 WOT dyno pulls when I was self-tuning I used maybe 2-quarts, but I was spraying too much and drowning out my AFRs.

The benefits of water/meth injection are so great I would run it on any forced induction vehicle I would own, daily-driven or not, and I'm even debating putting one on my truck. It increases reliablitly, effectively allows you to run race gas timing/fueling schemes and boost on premium pump gas, and literally steam cleans your engine from the inside.

When the water/meth mixture is injected into the air stream under high pressure, the nozzle atomizes it into tiny droplets that are suspended in the moving air stream. Since your intake charge is so hot, the water goes through a chemical change to a gas state (steam). Water absorbs 4 times it's weight in heat, so the conversion of the water to steam is what drops your intake air temperature so drastically.

The steam also acts a buffer during the combustion process which is what effectively raises your knock resistance. The methanol has an effective octane rating of 114, so it's available for the combustion process as a fuel.

The steam charge also cleans the inside of your engine by removing carbon deposits. If you run water/meth on a rotary you need to be careful as the steam can wash away the oil on the exposed seals on the rotors, so usually you should premix more and/or ramp up your OMP oil volume if you're running water/meth.

Also when selecting a water/meth kit, be sure to know what kind of fluids the kit can handle. The internal seals in some pumps don't like pure meth or alcohol. I know my Snow kit can't run higher than 49% by volume meth or alcohol. AEM kits, on the other hand, can handle 100% of the stuff. For a street car that's pretty aggressive (and expensive), though.

Some kits can also actually improve your MPG by injecting small amounts of your water/meth mixture and pulling fuel injector pulse widths. Kits like the Snow Stage 3 MPG Max interface your fuel injectors to dial back fuel and inject water/meth when you're cruising at a high vacuum pull. Then when you go into boost the kit acts like a normal water/meth system and injects a progressively variable ratio of water/meth.
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Postby coloskydiver » Mon Dec 21, 2009 9:14

I haven't read the entire thread but why not put on a intercooler spray bar and use CO2. You can buy universal kits that will mount up in the hood (in the boot that goes over the intercooler) above the top mount and simply use compressed CO2. Compressed CO2 sprays extremely cold and is inexpensive to fill, plus it will add a little bit of power is spraying at WOT. you could even add a purge kit for show. There is a Speed6 on the web somewhere that has this setup.. I do have an ETS 3.25" for sale if the prices is right if anyone is interested.


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